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Collapse of Complex Societies by Dr. Joseph Tainter

Joseph Tainter lectures at a 2010 sustainability conference on why complex societies such as Rome collapse. His thesis is that rising complexity brings diminishing returns until societies cannot afford to maintain it.

Why HN readers recommended it

Recommended as the best exposition of Tainter's theory, and used to explain slowing innovation, centralization and collapse risk.

This is a summary from the source dataset, not an endorsement by Hacker News or the video creator.

Video & recommendation details

Creator / channel
vlada888
Topic
societal collapse
Format
lecture
Level
general
HN recommenders in dataset
5
HN mentions in dataset
10
Recommendation years in dataset
2015–2023

These counts and years describe the included Hacker News records; they are not YouTube views or the video’s publication date.

From the original HN conversations

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  • The best way to think about this is the classic Buckminster Fuller quote "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." Spend some time watching Tainter's speech on complexity and collapse: …

    seltzered_ on Hacker News · 2020-05
    In Demand Nothing Less Than a Visionary Future
  • This is incorrect, societies have collapsed regularly throughout history. A collapse doesn't have to be a total destruction of the society, it's most often a fast transition to a lower level of social complexity. One of my favorite books (and a book referenced by the …

    faizshah on Hacker News · 2015-04
    In Is global collapse imminent? (2014) [pdf]
  • This video [1] has a great explanation and exploration of why innovation seems to be slowing down. He uses data coming from the patent system over a period of 100 years. The video touches on much of what is in this study and does a …

    jontas on Hacker News · 2016-12
    In Are ideas getting harder to find? [pdf]

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